I'll bring the case for the paranoid. It's a plan to turn us all into welfare serfs.
I live in Westminster (the not-nice part). Were I to go on benefits, I would receive £1,836.16 pm. That's for a single person in a one-bedroom flat. £440.16 cash per month, the rest for rent. Why should I then take a minimum wage job? It would be a strange choice as I'd spend a year working for less than £500, which would not cover half the cost of taking a London bus to and from work for the year. Work might be good for the soul, so there is that, but it's a financial loss.
It would appear that the reason people do not / will not "get off benefits" is that they're not idiots. Nor, for that matter, are the politicians. Having a "universal income" / dole for the masses suits them just fine. Proles rarely vote against the hand that feeds them.
My wife used to help people through a back to work programme. They had a "better off" calculation that showed people how much more money they'd get working full time than on handouts. A very normal outcome was to see a difference of £20 a week, for losing what would probabky amount to 50 hours of time (travel, breaks) and would probably leave them worse off in reality.
I wonder if the Danegeld payments to the underclass are part of the driver of this phenomenon?
By Danegeld I meant the idea that the underclass are paid not because it is an issue of dignity or living, but because only by giving them a certain amount of money will they remain pacified. Basically paying them over the odds so they don't rob, riot and break down wider society.
It dovetails with an academic belief that people will magically all "turn to crime or the grey economy" if a living wage isn't freely provided - ignoring the reality that this turn is made more on a cost/benefit basis with a low likelihood of punishment or retribution.
As long as the rich get richer, their favourites are protected and aided and they keep going through the motions then the government is happy. Everyone everywhere is moving towards oligarchy for them and socialism for us, this is just a snapshot of where Britian is now.
12.39 an hour to be a nurse with a RN certification? I've worked in the medical field (As an xray tech) and I wouldn't set foot in a dirty hospital and do patient care for less than 20.00 an hour.
I was talking about this today. Unskilled labourers at one of my clients are now earning the equivalent of someone with a degree who is in a junior specialist/technical role. All wages are converging to the middle. The spread has gone. Studying for a degree will get you a job where you earn as much as a forklift driver - I'm not denigrating forklift drivers but how can you argue the two are of a similar level? I don't know what the end result of this will be, this experiment has never been tried before but it is deforming the jobs market.
It very much is deforming the jobs market. We get weird millionaire or minimum type economies, and then wonder why nobody wants to do anything as a result.
I'll bring the case for the paranoid. It's a plan to turn us all into welfare serfs.
I live in Westminster (the not-nice part). Were I to go on benefits, I would receive £1,836.16 pm. That's for a single person in a one-bedroom flat. £440.16 cash per month, the rest for rent. Why should I then take a minimum wage job? It would be a strange choice as I'd spend a year working for less than £500, which would not cover half the cost of taking a London bus to and from work for the year. Work might be good for the soul, so there is that, but it's a financial loss.
It would appear that the reason people do not / will not "get off benefits" is that they're not idiots. Nor, for that matter, are the politicians. Having a "universal income" / dole for the masses suits them just fine. Proles rarely vote against the hand that feeds them.
My wife used to help people through a back to work programme. They had a "better off" calculation that showed people how much more money they'd get working full time than on handouts. A very normal outcome was to see a difference of £20 a week, for losing what would probabky amount to 50 hours of time (travel, breaks) and would probably leave them worse off in reality.
I wonder if the Danegeld payments to the underclass are part of the driver of this phenomenon?
How do you mean Danegeld payments?
By Danegeld I meant the idea that the underclass are paid not because it is an issue of dignity or living, but because only by giving them a certain amount of money will they remain pacified. Basically paying them over the odds so they don't rob, riot and break down wider society.
It dovetails with an academic belief that people will magically all "turn to crime or the grey economy" if a living wage isn't freely provided - ignoring the reality that this turn is made more on a cost/benefit basis with a low likelihood of punishment or retribution.
It almost seems to me as if Britain is slowly moving in the direction of communism/slavery.
"You will do what we tell you to do, or you will starve." You'll starve anyway, they won't care.
As long as the rich get richer, their favourites are protected and aided and they keep going through the motions then the government is happy. Everyone everywhere is moving towards oligarchy for them and socialism for us, this is just a snapshot of where Britian is now.
12.39 an hour to be a nurse with a RN certification? I've worked in the medical field (As an xray tech) and I wouldn't set foot in a dirty hospital and do patient care for less than 20.00 an hour.
No, that's the national minimum wage. Its where health care assistants are starting.
I was talking about this today. Unskilled labourers at one of my clients are now earning the equivalent of someone with a degree who is in a junior specialist/technical role. All wages are converging to the middle. The spread has gone. Studying for a degree will get you a job where you earn as much as a forklift driver - I'm not denigrating forklift drivers but how can you argue the two are of a similar level? I don't know what the end result of this will be, this experiment has never been tried before but it is deforming the jobs market.
It very much is deforming the jobs market. We get weird millionaire or minimum type economies, and then wonder why nobody wants to do anything as a result.